Body networking for the fit pro with Colleen Jorgensen

Today on the Work IN we are so excited to have our favorite Osteopath and pain care educator, Colleen Jorgensen back with us on The Work IN. As you may remember Colleen is also a Pain Care Aware Trainer, therapeutic pilates, yoga and somatics practitioner and she brings a world of experience to the conversation around connecting the mind and body for real world resilience and results. Our conversation Last week centered around the body as a network of systems and how we can use that network through small movements to bring the biggest relief. This week we’ll discuss how fit pros can apply that knowledge for themselves and their clients.

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Ep 166 CJ Transcript

Ericka Thomas  0:01  

Hi there, everyone and welcome back to the work in. This is part two of our conversation with Colleen Jorgensen our favorite osteopath and pain care educator, about the body as a network. And last week, we were speaking in broad terms about this idea that we are all of us more than the individual systems that make up our body and how that is an important understanding and awareness for overall health. Now, we're going to take a little different approach to that same information and look at how we can apply some of this awareness as instructors in a group fitness setting or one on one with people. So you're gonna get to hear some really specific ideas and tips and ways and things that you can apply with your classes right now. It's a great conversation. So buckle up, and here we go with our work in this week, with Colleen Jorgenson. All right, welcome back, Colleen. We're gonna continue this conversation about the body's network of systems and last time we touched on a lot of different things with movement through the fascia, and this understanding of some of these deeper systems that the body has going on. And I thought we would take some of that information and shift our focus tool to fitness professionals to instructors, to trainers and coaches and those of us who are working with clients, just to have some tools to maybe apply some of that knowledge. Yeah, across formats. So one of the things that's that's interesting to me maybe challenging, a little challenging. Personally, I teach yoga but also a lot of other things, some some hardcore things, some high intensity work. I impact work, some some spinning and cycling work, some of that stuff where people come to you and they really want to feel it right. I want that hard workout. And so it's a little it can be challenging in formats like that to introduce things that are going to that I know that will really help them jumps jumpstart recovery, right like to jumpstart that, that slide back into the parasympathetic so their their system can recover. Right so.

So if we can maybe speak to small things because we know little things make big impacts for people. We've got a lot of different different kinds of people coming to our classes. And as we've talked about before, you know, we don't always know what state they're in. When they show us

Colleen Jorgensen  3:24  

we don't get a group setting they don't usually share with it. Yeah, it's very rare

Ericka Thomas  3:29  

that someone will be brave enough to say ahead of time what's going on with them. I love it when that happens, but it's very rare. And so what what are some of the best practices for instructors who are seeing like lots of different kinds of people who may or may not be in a situation to share you know, their their injury history or their current physical therapy. One of those things.

Colleen Jorgensen  3:57  

Yeah, I want to acknowledge that it's not easy like for us as as doctors is, it's a challenge because it's like you're trying to have to be clairvoyant to figure out what everybody's dealing with in your class and you're trying to manage many people who are dealing with all different things is not an easy position to be in. So let's let's acknowledge that it is, it's not nothing. Okay, so, there are a couple of things I'm going to bring in. Something that I learned in osteopathy, because that has really influenced the way I teach movement now, because of what I feel under my hand. It's helped me to change the way I teach and the way I move myself. So I used to think let's just say that if something is tight, let's stretch it. Let's elongated if something short, we need to make it longer so let's elongated. And if you do that, hands on with someone, sometimes that's exactly what the body needs, and you can tell right away in the tissues that we welcome that light and sometimes it does the opposite. Sometimes when you go to lengthen a structure that is short, it gets really angry, and it's like the tissue become agitated and inflamed. And I have the luxury in clinic one on one with someone that I get that feedback from their body. So I know right away, okay, this this part of their body does not want to be lengthened. So I'm going to do the opposite. I'm going to I'm going to make it even shorter, so they give it some slack and then by giving it slack, it's not such a strain on the nervous system and then the nervous system works on getting it to let go. Okay, so how can we apply that with movement? It's a little trickier but not too bad. So I'm going to assume because we don't know who we're dealing with who we have in front of us, I always just assume that their system is going to get agitated and a little angry if I tug on it, because that way you're covering all of your bases, you're gonna end up helping everyone regardless of what the scenario is. So let's take let's take a hamstring as an example. There are many people in the world walking around with tight hamstrings. So let's say we're doing whatever exercise that is going to lengthen the hamstring, rather than just getting them to get a straight leg with a flexed foot and putting that hamstring on a stretch. We can tear the tissues out. I think of it as feathering or combing the tissues so as an example, let's take a very simple lying on your back hamstring stretch, but we can apply this to everything. Instead of like we just talked about straight leg let's flip and you're doing that stretch you you go into that little dental stretch and then you immediately let it go by softening at the knee letting the new guys letting the split relax. So now you've put the whole thing on Slack again. And then we go and reach into that stretch a little bit to the edge, and then we immediately let it go. So we're only staying there for like a breath and we're immediately letting it go. So what we're doing is we're doing this like jellyfish, like easing the system, we're bringing into that tension, but we're letting it use up so but if it is someone who when we bring them into tension, it sort of sets off the alarm bells in their system. It's okay because we're turning an alarm bell right back off. And if it's someone who doesn't have any alarm bells, they're gonna get the same benefit from it. So we're not, we're not shortchanging anybody. By doing that. You know what I mean? We can apply that same thing to that test neck, for example. So if you've got someone in your class who has spent 4050 years with that head posture, and now you're telling them to tuck their chin in and lengthen through the base of the skull for a whole hour, that's a lot. That's putting a lot of tension on the very important structures we talked about. carotid artery, jugular nerve x, sorry, jugular vein, vagus nerve, really important structures. And yes, over time, we want to create more space and light there, but if they don't have the space length flight and glide in your tissues in that area, then just forcing them to be there for an hour at a time, that's actually going to put more strain on the system. So again, I'm going to assume that everybody in my class has had that textbook for a really long time. And so let's tease it out. So yes, I'll give that same cue, chin tuck, lengthen to the basal skull, stay there for a breath and then let it go. And you just kind of go back and forth, you're kind of teasing it out. But if there is fascial tension muscular tension, fascia is surrounds those vessels. The walls of the vessels are muscular. So those vessels also need to get that length by gradually so you're just going there and letting it go. Going there, letting it go. I really picture that jellyfish that's this. So it's a beautiful elastically rhythmic kind of pulsation, you know, and our body does well with that kind of input as opposed to well, I'm going to go there like I've got to stick up my neck, and I'm going to hold it really rigid and force everything to comply. Well, if it hasn't been doing that for years, it's not going to like that and it could cause more attention than good to those examples.

Ericka Thomas  9:02  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it makes so much sense. What, what do you think about when you were when you started to talk about the hamstring one I was like, Oh, I wonder if she's gonna be a she's gonna talk about that muscle activation technique. You know, like where you're so can we can we? Are you familiar with that? Can you? Yeah, tell us a little bit about

Colleen Jorgensen  9:31  

can I go to the arm for one second? A lot of people have that we don't talk about as much as okay, you know, anything where you have the arms reaching out, let's say and again, so it's, we can picture the sciatic nerve a little easier because so many people have sciatic issues. So we've got that straight leg flexed foot. We know we're affecting the sciatic nerve, but the same is true in the arms. We've got our we've got nerves that supply the arms all the way to the hands with the fingers. So if we have lengthened arms outstretched hand and fingers, we don't know again, we have no idea in our class who in this class the the nerves of the armor not colliding well. So what's the way that we can soften that same as with the leg, we bend the elbow, let the wrist and fingers curl a little bit and then go again, we can do that sort of pulsation through those limbs that way and by sliding the shoulder blade up, we get flagged to where those nerves come out a cervical spine, and then we bring it downwards so many times in our classes, we're cueing people to draw the shoulder blade down toward the pelvis, and that's a nicer posture. Wonderful thing to do, wonderful place to try to live eventually. But if you've got tension in the area of the neck where those nerve roots, exit the cervical spine and then go and feed that whole arm to constantly bringing the shoulder blades down, puts more tension. So throughout your class, you can just find opportunities to let them slide the shoulder blade up into the ear and now you're getting slapped all of those peripheral nerves. And then we let it come down again, but then give it a break. I just wanted to bring that in because it's not an area that we talk about as much.

Ericka Thomas  11:12  

Oh my gosh, I think I need to tell my husband about that. Like it's got all kinds of nerve issues down his arm. Oh, what a beautiful What a beautiful way to kind of sprinkle in some creativity through through a class. Right? What? Like, it

Colleen Jorgensen  11:31  

doesn't matter. It could be teaching a hip call. It doesn't matter. We can all add a little variation. The client doesn't have to know why if you want to educate them great. I like to do that but not everybody does. You don't have to. But you know that because you don't know who you've gotten your class. You're making it beneficial for everybody there. And it's it's a really lovely thing for all of us to do.

Ericka Thomas  11:52  

Yeah. And then people take what they pupils will take what they what they need out of a class they don't have to take everything that is exactly they take that clay take what they need.

Colleen Jorgensen  12:03  

That example just right now, for people who work at a computer all day, a lot of people think they have to draw those shoulder blades down and back to have that good posture while at their desk. Yeah, that's true in theory, but if you've got certain tensions that's not going to help you so as you're sitting at your desk, let yourself Do this a few times. Well let yourself give slack the system before you put it on tension again, so it gets that break. Yeah, so your other questions. So

Ericka Thomas  12:28  

when one moment I just want to just make a note because this is audio only. So okay, so I lean Colleen was raising her shoulders and dropping her shoulder. So like shrugging, right exactly the thing we do that all instructors tell you not to do, like drop your shoulders or make space between your ears and your shoulders. Now we're telling you to take the exact opposite that's just me anymore can easily like do it the other way.

Colleen Jorgensen  12:57  

And again, the ultimate goal is that all of us in the world will be able to eventually live with the shoulder blades further down so that we have that space between the ear and the shoulders but because we don't know what people are dealing with, and honestly because of how much people are on devices these days, most people have a lot of tension in the neck and throat area. So the best thing we can do for them is give them opportunities to give slack to the system. So if you picture when you slide your shoulder blades up towards the ears, you're you're approximating all of those structures. So those nerves that come in, if you look in your anatomy book, look at the nerves that come out the brachial plexus that leave the cervical spine and go and feed the whole arm in hand. If we let that shoulder blade come up, now we're putting those on Slack. And that's just like you're giving it a moment to breathe, to get that circulation that come in that oxygenated blood to give nourishment back to those structures. So that then when you can bring them back down there. They've got something to feed on, if that makes sense. Yeah,

Ericka Thomas  14:02  

yeah, yeah, totally. Okay, so now back to this muscle activation idea. So I have had guests on the podcast in the past that have said, No more stretching and yoga, and they're all about the muscle activation like don't stretch any more muscle activation technique. And I know that some types have some somatic tools that we can use are basically specifically activating certain muscles certain muscles in certain ways. In some in certain areas of the body that will affect other areas of the body right this is this is what we're talking about. The body is a network of systems and you don't have to focus on the shoulder or the upper back. You don't have to stretch the upper back we can focus on the fascia and the backline and the fascia through the heels and we can get more freedom in the upper back. So so we know some of those things. So what kind of what what role does this muscle activation play in some of the things that we've talked about and you've already touched on some of that because the shrug this is, you know, yes, it puts that area into Slack but we are kind of moving into tension to let go of tension. Is that Is that am I understanding some of these things? Yeah,

Colleen Jorgensen  15:24  

correctly clearly. Absolutely. So I will start by saying that this is not a specialty of mine. So I will I will summarize it to the best of my ability when we do with a static stretch. We can think of it like we're kind of signaling threat to the nervous system. So the nervous system actually tries to contract the very thing you're trying to release as a way to protect you. So it's not giving us even though sometimes feels really good in the moment. It's not giving us the physiological change that we that we think it is or that we want it to. On the other hand when we do that contraction, so let's say you want to, I'm going to take the hamstring as the example again, let's say you want to take your hamstring onto a stretch. You bring it to the mile stretch and then you actually contract it against your own hands. Or against a wall or against the belt, whatever it is. Now, by doing that, your feelings. You're signaling like a safety message to the system. And now it actually is going to tell that muscle to let go. So it's, it's to summarize it in a really simple way. We're talking about working with the nervous system to achieve the relaxation response we want, which we don't actually get when we do the static stretching. And

Ericka Thomas  16:39  

it's so interesting. When I think of the hours that I sat in the hamstring stretches

Colleen Jorgensen  16:46  

and look I'm gonna say I'm a dancer. And I spent the majority of my life in static stretches. And it worked well for my body. But I think I was flexible to start off with. So I don't think my system was getting dangerous signals because stretching never hurt for me. It's different now. But for many, many decades, many decades an entrepreneur battle but for a few decades,

Ericka Thomas  17:14  

for one decade, one decade right.

Colleen Jorgensen  17:19  

Three full decades. There wouldn't have been danger messages in my system because stretching always felt good because I was flexible to start off with. So I think first someone like that. I don't know if you're familiar with Tom Meyers talks about the temple dancer versus the Viking constitution. So let's talk about that. So it's based on and I'm drawing a blank on what they're called. It will come back to me but it's it's the cell that releases. Oh my goodness, it's a fascial cell. I will talk about it in technical terms and I cannot think of the technical terms. But some people let's take the Viking for example. They have more of the cell that released this goo if you think like a snail that as they go along their path, they leave this goo this trail of goo behind them in the Viking they have more of these cells. So they have more of this and how that shows up in their body is that they are naturally less flexible. So we think Oh, that's terrible thing. But actually those people who are less flexible tend to heal better, because they've got these cells that are releasing the new so that when you injure something you repair more efficiently compared to someone like myself who he refers to have a temple dancer, we have less of these cells, less of this goo so we're super flexible, but it's a lot harder to work with people who are really flexible because it's hard to get them to find that integrity in their system. And when injure. Typically they do not heal as fast and part of the reason is because they don't have as many of these special cells that are that are releasing this, this goo that I can't think of the real moment. So now I gotta go look that do I let you know in minutes in the show notes but all that to say that not every body need the same thing.

Ericka Thomas  19:14  

Yes, you know, like yes, and

Colleen Jorgensen  19:17  

then bodies will do very fine will pass and stretching and others will wants you know.

Ericka Thomas  19:21  

Yeah. So and that's so important for instructors with a roomful of people, right. Like you have this plan this brilliant plan. Or whatever class you're you're doing and just that awareness, that knowledge that every individual in there is going to and can look a little different for all of these things. And

Colleen Jorgensen  19:42  

this is where for myself and it's not for everyone I like to educate my class about why I'm doing whatever we're doing. Because in my mind, the more they understand about their own body, the more they're going to make the right choices for themselves in the class. Regardless of what I'm teaching. We should not be responsible for 30 bucks. Like we are getting guys, we're there as a suggestion everything we say should be a suggestion and then it should be up to the individual to determine is that a good suggestion from my body today? But if they don't understand how to interpret the sensations of their own body, which many people don't, then it's hard to make that choice for yourself. So to me, part of going to any kind of movement class is developing that awareness. And the more they develop that awareness, the less they need to rely on us. And the more they're trusting their own instincts and their own signals to decide. Yeah, that's what I should do or no I should modify it or not. That's not it's not for me today at all and feel really okay with doing whatever they need to in a class setting. I think that's really important. Yeah, that's

Ericka Thomas  20:51  

big work right there. For the individual and also for the instructor, I would say to be okay with that. Yeah, cuz especially young instructors. It's, it's sometimes hard to look out into the room and have people doing a little bit different things is like, hey, it's not what I told you to do. And yeah, yeah,

Colleen Jorgensen  21:10  

I don't think I've could have been okay with it in my 20 crazy, I would have thought they're not understanding what I'm saying. Or you know, and all of that. But yeah, it's all an evolution for all for all of us on both fitness both excellent. And the teacher like for sure.

Ericka Thomas  21:25  

Absolutely. And would you say like how much education would you would you say, do we need as instructors to be able to share that kind of knowledge? I mean, I feel like sometimes, you know, there's this there's this wall that comes down, like stay within your scope, but I am with you, I want to be able to share the why so that they don't number one think I've lost my ever loving mind when I'm telling them to stand there and shrug their shoulders.

I do want them to be on the same page. Like I want to, I want to work with them. And I want them to work with their body and know what they're doing. Right. So but we still would we saw understand our scope. We are most people are not osteopaths. We are not medical professionals working with these with with folks. So can you can you kind of speak a little bit to that kind of

Colleen Jorgensen  22:25  

I can I don't think my opinion is the same as most you know, I think for I'm always I was surprised when I got into teaching anatomy for Pilates and yoga teacher trainings that everybody shared with me that this is everybody's least favorite part. Both the people organizing the teacher training and the students taking it and I I didn't understand it. I was like, What do you mean? Like I don't I don't get it and and then a lot of people think that this is the least important part that it's about knowing your exercises and knowing your postural cues and all that. To me if you don't have a certain understanding of the anatomy, how can you have a good understanding of the exercises like this are the bias that I have? For sure. But I think that it's important that we uncover basic understanding of anatomy. You don't have to understand all the physiology behind everything. You don't need to be an osteopath or a physio or an athletic therapist. No, that's a whole different thing. That's a whole different profession. And you should not be expected to do that. But anatomy is at the basis of movement. So to me, it's pretty important and how much I mean it depends like how it depends on the individual and how much they get from from an anatomy course you know, some people they take one weekend and they're proficient and other people. It's going to be total weekend and they still have a lot of questions. There's, I mean, I'm still studying anatomy 40 years later and still learning new things. It's a it's a vast field, but there's a certain basic knowledge that to me, and I know it's not everyone's opinion, but I think it's a very important part because how can you how can you offer the right things to this group of people that are putting their bodies, they're trusting you with their bodies, really, if you don't have an understanding of anatomy, so I don't know that I'm the right person to ask.

Ericka Thomas  24:19  

My answer? No, I love your answer. I agree totally. But I would also I would just add to that, that we don't need to be you know, some kind of expert in you know, in neurology, you know, neurobiology and in, in in endocrinology. Yes, to to be able to share these these things. Once we know and we we have this amazing opportunity to work with, with x with experts in their field, like you, for example, and other fantastic instructors out there that share their knowledge.

And that's how we learn and that's how the industry gets better, I would say is through that kind of continuing education for sure. And that's, that's a piece of why this podcast is even here. So I really mean for doing

Colleen Jorgensen  25:18  

this podcast, but to your point, you know, it could be as simple as and there's some great apps now anatomy apps that show it in three dimensions that just just spend a little bit of a half a day as a teacher and look at the layers you know, like you can you have those assets on that you can remove the muscular layers and see that we've got all this layer of protection we often think of the bodies as being so fragile but when you go and have to remove all the different layers of muscle, especially when it comes to the spine. You realize we are not fragile. We have many, many layers of protection built into our system. We are highly resilient bodies we truly are. And then you've got all the ligaments that are adding more layers of stability and protection and as you're removing all the layers, you're going to come across just visually you don't need to know the names of them. But you'll see the arteries, nerves, veins and live vessels and you'll see how they are everywhere. So I don't know if any of you have ever done the experiment. When I teach anatomy I have people come and wear a onesie. And in a perfect world. It has a hood and it's got the feet and then we go through certain movements, like a four fold as an example. So if you have a one knee do this. If you don't have one that you can stand on a blanket and hold the blanket up over your head around you like a hood. And when you do for fall, notice that it's not just at your hamstrings, that you're going to feel the material get pulled. It's the entire entire entire thing. And then just have in mind that the material is not just made up of muscles and fascia but embedded throughout the muscles and fascia. You have arteries, nerves, veins and lids everywhere. So just that is a huge, huge I don't know step in the right direction of understanding that okay, when we move these bodies, we're moving all of these systems you don't need to know the names of all this stuff. That's not what's important is being able to visualize that when you move a body. You're moving all of that.

Ericka Thomas  27:25  

Yeah, and then those bodies who are in front of you moving that may or may not be moving all of that in a very efficient way to to have that awareness that okay. So this is very complex system, this complex network of systems that we are we are asking these people to move and

and you know we we have kind of an obligation to them to make sure, like first do no harm. And and so, I love what you said earlier about kind of making the the assumption that these folks may not be coming to you with a clean slate a perfect, you know, almost has a fairly clean slate. Right. Right. Right. And so already centered saying none of us Yeah, none

Ericka Thomas  28:21  

of us right, I think at this age for sure. I guess it depends on what age group you're working Yes, awesome. Okay, so any any other tips or thoughts that maybe I had had not asked you about that you feel like might be important for fitness professionals.

Colleen Jorgensen  28:48  

I think the thing we didn't touch on and we don't have to go deep into it at all. But the other thing that is in front of all of us are the viscera, the heart, the lungs, the brain, all of the digestive system. And again, you don't need to know the names of all the different parts but if you just get that image, pull it up on Google and see how much is in there and just have that in your mind that when someone is moving their trunk when they're moving their spine. They are taking their viscera along for the ride. And that's a good thing. That's a very good thing because the viscera just like we want the fascia to be able to slide and glide. We want the viscera to be able to finally glide on each other and that's part of what fascia does. Fascia allows all the different structures to slide and glide when it is healthy. What happens when we have injury or illness? or inflammation or too much stress or we don't move a particular area, then the fascia changes and can get adhered to itself. So the different layers can get a little bit stuck on each other. Then you don't get that slide and glide of the different layers and now things that are supposed to go along for the ride. Maybe they're not or maybe they're getting kind of tugged on in a way that it's not feeling great for the body because they're not sliding and gliding. But the whole point is that by getting people to move mindfully to move, unusually like to keep moving the body in ways you're not used to moving so that we get at all the different spider webs of fascia so that we're clearing away any adherence is that might get laid down over the course of life because that is what happens and if anyone listening has not ever heard the funny speech by Gil Headley, look that up on YouTube, and he will show you on a cadaver, what it looks like when the fact that gets adhered just by not moving when you sleep at night for example. So it

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Colleen Jorgensen  31:15  

what if we tried something else didn't keep our arms in this position the whole time. If we just wander around a little

Ericka Thomas  31:23  

crazy people. Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, this is great, Colleen. So before we wrap up, I want to give you the opportunity because I know you've got big things going on. And I would love and this fits in this because we're talking to instructors here. And so let's talk about your next course this next course that you have coming up soon.

Colleen Jorgensen  31:52  

I appreciate that. Thank you very much. So it's the pain care aware therapeutic certificate. So I'm a pain care where lead trainer, it is a 60 hour course and you get 60 hours of continuing education credits if you do this course, and there are two parts to it. The first part is called foundations, and that is pre recorded content, teaching you about how pain works and bringing movement and compassion into pain. And I will guide you through all that. So I'll give you support through online office hours where you can ask your questions we will meet before you get started so we can go through the best way to go through the program. And I'll send you weekly emails that give you a summary of the key takeaways from each module that you're going to in foundations. And then the second part of the program is a four day practical. And what I love, love, love about this program that is so unique that you come with one of your clients. So Have in mind that client that like stumps you you know that one that no matter what you do, you just they're not getting better or they're not getting past where they are right now or you just don't have any more tools in your toolbox to work with this person. Bring them with you. They come for free. And the nice thing about how the practical works is you're coming as a professional but you're receiving as a client the whole weekend. So right alongside the person you decide to bring with you. You are getting guided through all of the practices as though you are the client. So you get to just embody all of the information, all of the work all the tools yourself. We do lots of q&a and discussion throughout and then the last half day of those four days the client goes away and we're just the professionals together and that's where we talk about okay, well how do we put all these pieces together? What you learned in foundation, what you embodied in this four day practical? How do you now put this into practice when you're working one on one with a client and you go away and create a personal pain care plan for that person that you brought in with you based on all that we did together in the 60 hours. You'll submit it to me, I'll review it we'll talk about it we'll tweak it so that it's the best plan possible for that person. And and that's it and then you can call yourself a pain care aware, professional and become a part of this wonderful community of pain care where practitioners that is growing all the time. And we have ongoing support to that community as well.

Ericka Thomas  34:18  

That it just sounds like such an awesome opportunity to be able to observe in real time how these things work with a real client like somebody from the real estate

Colleen Jorgensen  34:36  

world. Yeah. And to your point, one of the nice things as a practitioner is so let's say your client is trying some of the practices during the practical and it doesn't feel good they feel more pain or they get anxiety or whatever the case or they have questions. You are not responsible for figuring it out for them. You get to still sit back and receive. I'm the one that has to figure it out for them. And then you just get to observe and take it all in and say Okay, so that's a that's one way that I can approach it when someone has that type of question or when they run into that roadblock. So I find it quite unique in that sense that usually when we're in a teacher training, we're ready to perform all the time. So there's that stress of having to be evaluated and having to be on and you don't miss one you really are just receiving. And it's easy learn differently that way. It's a very much a somatic way of learning the material, which I think is brilliant. Yeah.

Ericka Thomas  35:31  

Yeah, I love that they're doing this but I love that it's you that it's doing it and just from my own personal experience. I will just say to the audience that Colleen is an absolutely phenomenal instructor in person and so if you are at all on the fence about it, I would just say go for it. And and you know that foundations course that's for that's for anyone, right and I mean, the client that comes with you for this, they will have access to that Foundation's course to yes or no. You

Colleen Jorgensen  36:09  

know what a great question. I'm not 100% sure if they get access to foundations, but what they do get access to is Neil has put together a one hour summary if you will of the foundations it's not every client is going to want to spend three hours Yeah. Us too technical for some for some of it. So what he's done is he's condensed it into an hour. And so yes, the client watches that and then before you come to the practical you have the practitioner, you know you have your client watch it and then you get together with them either virtually or in person. And if they have any questions clear that up before you guys come to the practical. If there are still more questions, then I will address them when we're all together. But yeah, I think client also gets that opportunity to learn from you, which is great. I should talk about the dates that would be important.

Ericka Thomas  36:52  

Oh yeah. Let's let's make sure this is yes, go ahead.

Colleen Jorgensen 36:56  

You you would have to start the foundations by April 23. And you can kind of go through it at your own pace, but it's good to give yourself about four weeks to get through it. So April 23 is the starting date so that you're ready for the practical which is May 30 31st June 1 And June 2. Okay, and for your listeners, specifically Erica, I've created a coupon code for $150 off the program.

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Ericka Thomas  7:22  

Wow. That is very generous. Thank you so much, Colleen, those were in the show notes for sure. And yeah, I guess I guess now that I'm thinking about it, I suppose a regular person may not have an extra $30 or 30 hours. They may not want that or need that. That would only be enough. I'm sorry. I don't know

Unknown Speaker  37:45  

if I mentioned that the client comes for free. Yes,

Ericka Thomas  37:46  

you did that you did what you did, but it's worth it's worth reiterating, because this is a unique thing. I don't think I've ever seen any other kind of training that included. You know, you're a real person. And that's Neil's

Colleen Jorgensen  38:02  

brilliant. IDEA. And I'll tell you the transition in both the clients and the practitioners in those four days is really quite something. It was really fun to witness there was such a shift because to be immersed in it like that, you know where you're only thinking about that for a few days and thinking about it in such a positive educational embodied way. There was a real change in everyone by the end of it, which was kind of fun to be a part of. Yeah,

Ericka Thomas  38:30  

yeah. I love it. I'd love to see new ways to get those continuing education credits and, and this this would be across formats, would it not? I mean, yeah,

Colleen Jorgensen  38:42  

so it's for anyone if you're a clinician like osteo physio, athletic therapists, massage therapists, anything like that. And for movement pros who work one on one so this is this is geared towards people who work one on one with people. If you're someone who only teaches group classes, then the group teaching program that you've already done, Erica would be the one that I recommend. This one is for people who also are only work one on one with people.

Ericka Thomas  39:05  

Gotcha. Okay. Okay. Important point, folks. Thank you. Yes. And so all of these things, including the coupon codes will be in the show notes, as well as colleagues free pain care bundle. So that will also be in the show notes. So if you have not in the past taken advantage of that this is a great, this will be a great opportunity for you to do that. And I'm not sure exactly when this podcast will go out but I will make sure it's quick because those dates I appreciate that. Keep coming up faster and faster. It seems every year I don't understand

Ericka Thomas  39:48  

that. They do like really rely. I know I know. And we started talking about doing this podcast back in I don't know like six or eight months ago. I did feel like it was three weeks ago.

Ericka Thomas  40:02  

Now I know well Colleen as always, it is a joy to have you on and I get so much feedback from from my listeners about your podcasts. We love you here. And so thank you so much for being here. And I hope we can do this again and maybe podcasts on the breath. Or let's do that.

Colleen Jorgensen  40:25  

Yeah, there means a lot to me. Thank you, Ericka. I appreciate hearing that. There's good feedback and I appreciate that you are willing to have me on again and again. That means a lot. Of course.

Ericka Thomas  40:35  

All right. Well, thank you so much, Colleen and we will of course see you again soon on the work in. Thanks for listening everyone. If you like what you heard and you want to know more head over to savage Grace coaching.com forward slash the work in for all today's show notes and I would be forever grateful. If you would take a moment to like, share, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. And remember, stop working out and start working in

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